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		By: Clark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 04:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Licensing is permission to work. Why would anyone needs the state&#039;s permission to do something as harmless as qigong? Certainly not to protect the public. It&#039;s American, for goodness sakes. Professional licensure is like a cancer in the domain of health care - it keeps spreading from one occupation to the next. Why? Because it is used by targeted professions as a survival strategy. Osteopathy, Chiropractic and Acupuncture have all done it for this reason - to survive withering assaults from the medical establishment. Massage is the only exception - it was forced on massage by governments in hopes of reducing prostitution, which it has failed to do in a spectacular way. And now massage boards persecute other professions in the same way as medical boards did Chiropractic and homeopathy. The childishness just goes on and on.

Here&#039;s the solution to all the licensing madness: safeharbor through practice exemption. It&#039;s been done in 11 states, Maine being the latest so far and Massachusetts and Wisconsin could be 12 and 13. It exempts complementary and alternative practitioners out of broadly written BS scopes of practices contrived by these anti-competitive special interest groups and creates a clear set of common sense prohibited acts within which they need to operate. Like you can perform surgeries, prescribe drugs or administer radiation. Boom - done - problem solved. No more arbitrary practice board harassment and everyone can start getting along like adults again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Licensing is permission to work. Why would anyone needs the state&#8217;s permission to do something as harmless as qigong? Certainly not to protect the public. It&#8217;s American, for goodness sakes. Professional licensure is like a cancer in the domain of health care &#8211; it keeps spreading from one occupation to the next. Why? Because it is used by targeted professions as a survival strategy. Osteopathy, Chiropractic and Acupuncture have all done it for this reason &#8211; to survive withering assaults from the medical establishment. Massage is the only exception &#8211; it was forced on massage by governments in hopes of reducing prostitution, which it has failed to do in a spectacular way. And now massage boards persecute other professions in the same way as medical boards did Chiropractic and homeopathy. The childishness just goes on and on.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the solution to all the licensing madness: safeharbor through practice exemption. It&#8217;s been done in 11 states, Maine being the latest so far and Massachusetts and Wisconsin could be 12 and 13. It exempts complementary and alternative practitioners out of broadly written BS scopes of practices contrived by these anti-competitive special interest groups and creates a clear set of common sense prohibited acts within which they need to operate. Like you can perform surgeries, prescribe drugs or administer radiation. Boom &#8211; done &#8211; problem solved. No more arbitrary practice board harassment and everyone can start getting along like adults again.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66222</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 06:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66171&quot;&gt;Janice&lt;/a&gt;.

Janice,
I don&#039;t know if you have experience in the field of qigong but I must say your response toward Sifu Anthony is disrespectful.  There is no doubt he has confidence in his ability to teach and lead or he would not have taken on such an enormous task to teach an on-line course, after teaching in a studio setting for many years, to educate and help others.  

Telling him to just do it and stop complaining shows once again disrespect and also your lack of understanding regarding what is involved.   All his years of experience, knowledge and learning from many qualified Masters in China and others, means nothing in this country.  You obviously did not read the entire bill that has been written.  

To state you like the idea of regulating qigong also proves you are not educated in what regulating means.  For starters, this is not about separating the real qualified instructors from the fake instructors.  This is about the government, yes, the government governing this modality, which means another way for them to put more money in their pockets by means of the licensing fees collected.  The colleges and universities are also involved because instructors will have to take credited courses as outlined in this bill to qualify for this license.  That means although the colleges and universities will benefit, guess what?, the universities are government controlled and guess who receives that money.  That&#039;s right, the government.  

The  people who run the government will decide how we teach, what we can teach, and dig deep into the pockets of the teachers for taxes.  Qigong now becomes owned by the government.  If you know anything about this modality, you will find this is not what we are about.  We are about helping others not about politics.  

As Sifu stated, licensing does not prevent fakes.  There are people who have been arrested after practicing medicine for several years with a license who were not qualified, how they managed to obtain a license is not clear.  So regulating will not prevent the fakes, if anything it may produce people who teach qigong with their only interest being about money.  I agree with Sifu Anthony, this should be in the hands of all involved with qigong.  I am against qigong being regulated and becoming political.   

You should take time to read the entire bill and research all the information Sifu Anthony highlighted for you to click on in his article.  Then enter an intelligent response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66171">Janice</a>.</p>
<p>Janice,<br />
I don&#8217;t know if you have experience in the field of qigong but I must say your response toward Sifu Anthony is disrespectful.  There is no doubt he has confidence in his ability to teach and lead or he would not have taken on such an enormous task to teach an on-line course, after teaching in a studio setting for many years, to educate and help others.  </p>
<p>Telling him to just do it and stop complaining shows once again disrespect and also your lack of understanding regarding what is involved.   All his years of experience, knowledge and learning from many qualified Masters in China and others, means nothing in this country.  You obviously did not read the entire bill that has been written.  </p>
<p>To state you like the idea of regulating qigong also proves you are not educated in what regulating means.  For starters, this is not about separating the real qualified instructors from the fake instructors.  This is about the government, yes, the government governing this modality, which means another way for them to put more money in their pockets by means of the licensing fees collected.  The colleges and universities are also involved because instructors will have to take credited courses as outlined in this bill to qualify for this license.  That means although the colleges and universities will benefit, guess what?, the universities are government controlled and guess who receives that money.  That&#8217;s right, the government.  </p>
<p>The  people who run the government will decide how we teach, what we can teach, and dig deep into the pockets of the teachers for taxes.  Qigong now becomes owned by the government.  If you know anything about this modality, you will find this is not what we are about.  We are about helping others not about politics.  </p>
<p>As Sifu stated, licensing does not prevent fakes.  There are people who have been arrested after practicing medicine for several years with a license who were not qualified, how they managed to obtain a license is not clear.  So regulating will not prevent the fakes, if anything it may produce people who teach qigong with their only interest being about money.  I agree with Sifu Anthony, this should be in the hands of all involved with qigong.  I am against qigong being regulated and becoming political.   </p>
<p>You should take time to read the entire bill and research all the information Sifu Anthony highlighted for you to click on in his article.  Then enter an intelligent response.</p>
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		By: Phil Ciglen		</title>
		<link>https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66208</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2019 05:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The maximum fine for 1 offense under the bill is $500, not $5000. 
&quot;...fines imposed by the board shall not exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00) for any single violation and not more than Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00) for all combined
violations occurring in relation to a complaint&quot;.
I agree with your points about teachers. 
Whether practitioners should be regulated is debatable, I can see both sides, having been a registered massage therapist for 25 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The maximum fine for 1 offense under the bill is $500, not $5000.<br />
&#8220;&#8230;fines imposed by the board shall not exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00) for any single violation and not more than Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00) for all combined<br />
violations occurring in relation to a complaint&#8221;.<br />
I agree with your points about teachers.<br />
Whether practitioners should be regulated is debatable, I can see both sides, having been a registered massage therapist for 25 years.</p>
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		By: Julie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2019 04:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m a licensed architect. At least we have to be demonstrably competent in safeguarding public safety and welfare. 

I note that the proposal would, strangely, legislate qi into existence. Like, it’s real and has real effects. Cupping and Traditional Chinese Medicine including herbs are also included in the legislation; I’m confused. Don’t want to know how Westerners propose to become experts in regulating Eastern arts. 

What about reiki practitioners? Do they get legislated too? I ask, only part jokingly, could they send long distance reiki across state lines? (Tough to monitor or enforce, right? ;-) )

Shaking my head; it’s too close to bedtime for this. Sounds like it would get struck in part or while if challenged. And agreed: there are good and bad licensed professionals in every area. It’s just a demonstration of competence with meeting continuing education requirements (for architects and engineers: permitting departments check our work before anything gets built. Doctors don’t have such tight supervision right?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a licensed architect. At least we have to be demonstrably competent in safeguarding public safety and welfare. </p>
<p>I note that the proposal would, strangely, legislate qi into existence. Like, it’s real and has real effects. Cupping and Traditional Chinese Medicine including herbs are also included in the legislation; I’m confused. Don’t want to know how Westerners propose to become experts in regulating Eastern arts. </p>
<p>What about reiki practitioners? Do they get legislated too? I ask, only part jokingly, could they send long distance reiki across state lines? (Tough to monitor or enforce, right? 😉 )</p>
<p>Shaking my head; it’s too close to bedtime for this. Sounds like it would get struck in part or while if challenged. And agreed: there are good and bad licensed professionals in every area. It’s just a demonstration of competence with meeting continuing education requirements (for architects and engineers: permitting departments check our work before anything gets built. Doctors don’t have such tight supervision right?)</p>
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		By: Lynn McClary		</title>
		<link>https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn McClary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I signed the petition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed the petition.</p>
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		By: Bob Mente		</title>
		<link>https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66178</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been doing many different forms of martial arts over the years and have chosen Chi Gong the last seven years. I am not a teacher but am greatly offended by SB 190 , which I consider BS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been doing many different forms of martial arts over the years and have chosen Chi Gong the last seven years. I am not a teacher but am greatly offended by SB 190 , which I consider BS.</p>
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		By: Rita Good		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita Good]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am against the need/requirement for licensing of qigong Teachers. 
       Since 1997 I have been a Licensed Mental Health Counselor. However, I started my Private Practice in 1981 - no licensing was needed. 
       I can now accept insurance!  Great!  But for years The Licensed Social Workers fought against Mental Health Counselors getting Licensed (getting Insurance reimbursement). Why?  Competition?  Money?  Superiority? (The We are better than You syndrome?). We’re Licensed, therefore We’re Good?
        I oppose licensing because I agree that it Doesn’t insure Quality!  It Doesn’t insure Expertise. It Does insure Competition!!!
       I had been successfully practicing my Mental Health Counseling/Therapy for 16 years before the Need to be Licensed (approved) came about (or I couldn’t put out ‘a shingle’). 
How about letting the Client/Student decide?  If people want a different Teacher/Practitioner/Therapist/Counselor, impower them to Decide. 
        By the way, Medicare does not cover my License because of the Lobbying Against my License!  I am now 74 years old. My clients are getting older, too!  But they can’t use their Medicare Coverage. I specialize in Grief and Loss!
        I don’t live in Oklahoma!  I am happy with online Qigong classes. I choose my Qigong Teachers based on their experience, style, and Wisdom. 
       Let the Student decide. 
       Thank you, Sifu Anthony for your Teaching/Guidance - Licensed or No License!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am against the need/requirement for licensing of qigong Teachers.<br />
       Since 1997 I have been a Licensed Mental Health Counselor. However, I started my Private Practice in 1981 &#8211; no licensing was needed.<br />
       I can now accept insurance!  Great!  But for years The Licensed Social Workers fought against Mental Health Counselors getting Licensed (getting Insurance reimbursement). Why?  Competition?  Money?  Superiority? (The We are better than You syndrome?). We’re Licensed, therefore We’re Good?<br />
        I oppose licensing because I agree that it Doesn’t insure Quality!  It Doesn’t insure Expertise. It Does insure Competition!!!<br />
       I had been successfully practicing my Mental Health Counseling/Therapy for 16 years before the Need to be Licensed (approved) came about (or I couldn’t put out ‘a shingle’).<br />
How about letting the Client/Student decide?  If people want a different Teacher/Practitioner/Therapist/Counselor, impower them to Decide.<br />
        By the way, Medicare does not cover my License because of the Lobbying Against my License!  I am now 74 years old. My clients are getting older, too!  But they can’t use their Medicare Coverage. I specialize in Grief and Loss!<br />
        I don’t live in Oklahoma!  I am happy with online Qigong classes. I choose my Qigong Teachers based on their experience, style, and Wisdom.<br />
       Let the Student decide.<br />
       Thank you, Sifu Anthony for your Teaching/Guidance &#8211; Licensed or No License!</p>
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		By: peter levine (Ishan das)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I confess I have not read all the relate material.  But my intuition tells me that it is about an attempt to block the teaching of the art/science by those who are afraid that people who learn will not need to go to acupunturists.  It is like the FDA closing the opportunity for cures that would affect the bottom line of Big-Pharma.  I suspect is  primarily a business $ concern, posing as something else.  Just like the U.S. sending the marines, supposedly protecting democracy in the third world, when in effect they are trying to break a government that is protecting the people against U.S. imperialistic exploitation. 

As qigong proves itself to be more effective than other medical modalities, and more people want to take it up, there will probably be more of this kind of attempt to stifle it.  This is simply demonic.  They work through the government, but they are not really motivated by the desire to protect the public; they use that as a ploy to protect their selfish financial concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess I have not read all the relate material.  But my intuition tells me that it is about an attempt to block the teaching of the art/science by those who are afraid that people who learn will not need to go to acupunturists.  It is like the FDA closing the opportunity for cures that would affect the bottom line of Big-Pharma.  I suspect is  primarily a business $ concern, posing as something else.  Just like the U.S. sending the marines, supposedly protecting democracy in the third world, when in effect they are trying to break a government that is protecting the people against U.S. imperialistic exploitation. </p>
<p>As qigong proves itself to be more effective than other medical modalities, and more people want to take it up, there will probably be more of this kind of attempt to stifle it.  This is simply demonic.  They work through the government, but they are not really motivated by the desire to protect the public; they use that as a ploy to protect their selfish financial concerns.</p>
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		By: Sherry S Clark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sherry S Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I signed the petition.  I sent your blogpost to a qigong teacher colleague and he sent it to Senator Rader for his education and information. Thank you, Sifu Anthony, for representing the qigong community with your experience and knowledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed the petition.  I sent your blogpost to a qigong teacher colleague and he sent it to Senator Rader for his education and information. Thank you, Sifu Anthony, for representing the qigong community with your experience and knowledge.</p>
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		By: Sifu Anthony Korahais		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 14:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66171&quot;&gt;Janice&lt;/a&gt;.

Janice, this legislation would do nothing to protect against bad or fake teachers. If anything, it would block experienced teachers like me from teaching. Licensing and certification do not protect against bad teachers. There are plenty of bad acupuncturists despite all of the licensing and regulation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://flowingzen.com/the-messy-truth-about-qigong-legislation-in-oklahoma/#comment-66171">Janice</a>.</p>
<p>Janice, this legislation would do nothing to protect against bad or fake teachers. If anything, it would block experienced teachers like me from teaching. Licensing and certification do not protect against bad teachers. There are plenty of bad acupuncturists despite all of the licensing and regulation.</p>
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