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		By: Jeremy west		</title>
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		By: Karen Brighton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2023 20:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Sifu Anthony—
I believe I have a Qigong deviation and am seeking help. In 2019 I started medical Qigongs treatments and learned the Wudang 8, microcosmic, and other Qigongs in my quest to heal from Parkinson’s disease after stumbling across fightingparkinsonsdrugfree.com. Probably in 2021 when I started having more problems with mobility I increased my Qigongs practice. I was also getting acupuncture and Reiki treatments, I ate vegetarian for a while, and I played around with my medication doses quite a bit. I think it’s been nine months to a year that I have been feeling a cycle of energy flow from my stomach into my head and back to my stomach. It only flows into the front of my head, circling around my mouth and eyes. There’s another flow down my legs that seems to be a source of my tremors and is strong in my toes. Every day as I take my Parkinson’s medication the flow into my head gets stronger. In 2022 it got so bad that I became severely depressed, stopped my medication, and I had a psychiatric episode where I ended up hospitalized. Today I have little recollection of 2022, partly due to ECT. For the past few months the errant energy flow into my head has steadily worsened. My medical Qigongs doctor recommended Qigongs but I have not done Qigongs for months for fear of making things even worse. I probably have not had a medical Qigongs or acupuncture treatment since 2021. I think I somehow made Qi move in a path that is wrong and my medication somehow exacerbates it. My neurologist has no other patients describing this. I’m living with nonstop tremors and limited mobility but honestly I don’t know how much longer I can take the errant energy flow. I don’t know how it should be flowing. It’s scary. It’s not decreasing or plateauing. I’m curious about your thoughts? KB]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sifu Anthony—<br />
I believe I have a Qigong deviation and am seeking help. In 2019 I started medical Qigongs treatments and learned the Wudang 8, microcosmic, and other Qigongs in my quest to heal from Parkinson’s disease after stumbling across fightingparkinsonsdrugfree.com. Probably in 2021 when I started having more problems with mobility I increased my Qigongs practice. I was also getting acupuncture and Reiki treatments, I ate vegetarian for a while, and I played around with my medication doses quite a bit. I think it’s been nine months to a year that I have been feeling a cycle of energy flow from my stomach into my head and back to my stomach. It only flows into the front of my head, circling around my mouth and eyes. There’s another flow down my legs that seems to be a source of my tremors and is strong in my toes. Every day as I take my Parkinson’s medication the flow into my head gets stronger. In 2022 it got so bad that I became severely depressed, stopped my medication, and I had a psychiatric episode where I ended up hospitalized. Today I have little recollection of 2022, partly due to ECT. For the past few months the errant energy flow into my head has steadily worsened. My medical Qigongs doctor recommended Qigongs but I have not done Qigongs for months for fear of making things even worse. I probably have not had a medical Qigongs or acupuncture treatment since 2021. I think I somehow made Qi move in a path that is wrong and my medication somehow exacerbates it. My neurologist has no other patients describing this. I’m living with nonstop tremors and limited mobility but honestly I don’t know how much longer I can take the errant energy flow. I don’t know how it should be flowing. It’s scary. It’s not decreasing or plateauing. I’m curious about your thoughts? KB</p>
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		By: Sifu Anthony Korahais		</title>
		<link>https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-88334</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 14:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-88315&quot;&gt;Simon Middleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Good for you, Simon. I&#039;m glad you are setting aside the MCO for now. That was a wise choice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-88315">Simon Middleton</a>.</p>
<p>Good for you, Simon. I&#8217;m glad you are setting aside the MCO for now. That was a wise choice.</p>
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		By: Simon Middleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Sifu Anthony.  Book purchased and MCO duly abandoned for now.  It&#039;s odd because I had already put myself off from pursuing it some time ago but for whatever reason decided to not listen to my own misgivings.  All the best.  Simon]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Sifu Anthony.  Book purchased and MCO duly abandoned for now.  It&#8217;s odd because I had already put myself off from pursuing it some time ago but for whatever reason decided to not listen to my own misgivings.  All the best.  Simon</p>
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		By: Sifu Anthony Korahais		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-88251&quot;&gt;Simon Middleton&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Simon. A few years ago, I would have linked you to a bunch of blog posts, and then recommended you to buy my basic online course. 

Today, you can learn more for less with my book. It&#039;s exactly what you need. The combination of the book with the free lessons inside will help you to get back on track with your qigong. 

If you want my advice, I would suggest that you leave aside the MCO (Small Universe) for a good while. There&#039;s plenty of other qigong to explore. My book will help you with that.

https://amzn.to/36LTJEa]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-88251">Simon Middleton</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Simon. A few years ago, I would have linked you to a bunch of blog posts, and then recommended you to buy my basic online course. </p>
<p>Today, you can learn more for less with my book. It&#8217;s exactly what you need. The combination of the book with the free lessons inside will help you to get back on track with your qigong. </p>
<p>If you want my advice, I would suggest that you leave aside the MCO (Small Universe) for a good while. There&#8217;s plenty of other qigong to explore. My book will help you with that.</p>
<p><a href="https://amzn.to/36LTJEa" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amzn.to/36LTJEa</a></p>
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		By: Simon Middleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Sifu Anthony

Many thanks for your fine writings on qigong.  May I ask your advice on an issue I have been experiencing and which I believe to be related to my qigong practice?  I attended tai chi classes for 2 years or so and learned Yang style short and long form.  Sadly, my teacher passed away and there are no other teachers locally.  I can&#039;t say that I ever really learned to feel abundant qi energy through these classes but I did very much enjoy the body development (e.g. balance and connection).  I then followed an online course that showed how to develop the body through internal type exercises particularly stretching the lines of connection, learning to have a heavy body, become elastic etc.  Through this, I began to really be able to feel qi in the tissues, particularly magnetic type energy.  At this point, I started to work on the MCO (I know, possibly not the wisest move - but I did find some excellent online tuition).  After perhaps 6 months of working on this I&#039;ve had maybe 4 or 5 episodes of what I think sound like some kind of seizure.  Essentially a really strange Deja vu and then sort of missing fragments of thoughts - a bit like trying to remember dreams.  Very difficult to put into words.  The episodes are short lived but leave me feeling foggy for a good while after.  They seem to happen after practice but on one occasion during a session.  I have stopped work on the MCO altogether but just today I was working on body development stuff (and it is very difficult now to do this without feeling qi even if only mildly) and then I had an episode afterwards albeit more minor than previous episodes.

Anyway, sorry for the overly detailed note.  I&#039;m not especially keen to return to working on the MCO but I would really love to be able to continue using qi in my tai chi internal development work and any insight you could give would be most appreciated.

Best

Simon]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sifu Anthony</p>
<p>Many thanks for your fine writings on qigong.  May I ask your advice on an issue I have been experiencing and which I believe to be related to my qigong practice?  I attended tai chi classes for 2 years or so and learned Yang style short and long form.  Sadly, my teacher passed away and there are no other teachers locally.  I can&#8217;t say that I ever really learned to feel abundant qi energy through these classes but I did very much enjoy the body development (e.g. balance and connection).  I then followed an online course that showed how to develop the body through internal type exercises particularly stretching the lines of connection, learning to have a heavy body, become elastic etc.  Through this, I began to really be able to feel qi in the tissues, particularly magnetic type energy.  At this point, I started to work on the MCO (I know, possibly not the wisest move &#8211; but I did find some excellent online tuition).  After perhaps 6 months of working on this I&#8217;ve had maybe 4 or 5 episodes of what I think sound like some kind of seizure.  Essentially a really strange Deja vu and then sort of missing fragments of thoughts &#8211; a bit like trying to remember dreams.  Very difficult to put into words.  The episodes are short lived but leave me feeling foggy for a good while after.  They seem to happen after practice but on one occasion during a session.  I have stopped work on the MCO altogether but just today I was working on body development stuff (and it is very difficult now to do this without feeling qi even if only mildly) and then I had an episode afterwards albeit more minor than previous episodes.</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry for the overly detailed note.  I&#8217;m not especially keen to return to working on the MCO but I would really love to be able to continue using qi in my tai chi internal development work and any insight you could give would be most appreciated.</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>Simon</p>
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		By: Asle Ahlstrøm		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Anthony. 

My main Qigong cleansing symptom (or what I belive to be Qigong cleansing) is &quot;energy coldness&quot; (more &quot;prickly&quot; and local then just being cold). I mostly feel it in my feet, but also other places, like the inside of my thighs and knees (i think it&#039;s the liver meridian).

My understanding is that the &quot;energy coldness&quot; is stagnated energy leaving the body, and that this is a major part of Qigong/energy clensing, but it&#039;s not on your top 5 symptom list. Can you comment?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anthony. </p>
<p>My main Qigong cleansing symptom (or what I belive to be Qigong cleansing) is &#8220;energy coldness&#8221; (more &#8220;prickly&#8221; and local then just being cold). I mostly feel it in my feet, but also other places, like the inside of my thighs and knees (i think it&#8217;s the liver meridian).</p>
<p>My understanding is that the &#8220;energy coldness&#8221; is stagnated energy leaving the body, and that this is a major part of Qigong/energy clensing, but it&#8217;s not on your top 5 symptom list. Can you comment?</p>
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		By: TM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 03:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-79136&quot;&gt;Sifu Anthony Korahais&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for listening and your suggestion. I will see what happens. Take care, and I hope you have a good week.]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for listening and your suggestion. I will see what happens. Take care, and I hope you have a good week.</p>
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		By: Sifu Anthony Korahais		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sifu Anthony Korahais]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 00:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-79135&quot;&gt;TM&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi again TM. Well you&#039;ve certainly had an long journey. It does not sound like much fun. I&#039;m sorry you&#039;ve suffered so much.

Okay, let me try another tack. Let&#039;s say that you did create a deviation in just one session. If so, then you likely have an extremely powerful mind and a natural talent for moving energy. Let&#039;s assume that both of these are also true.

With a mind that powerful plus a talent for energy -- what do you think would happen if a bunch of &quot;experts&quot; started telling you how fucked up you are? I&#039;m sure you&#039;re familiar with the nocebo effect. Is it possible that their negative comments have seeped into your subconscious where, combined with your powerful mind and talent, you are actually perpetuating the blockage?

I should point out that something similar happened in the 70s and 80s with all these so-called deviations. There was a lot of nocebo going on among qigong teachers. To this day, many mainlanders are scared of qigong because of stuff they heard in the 70s and 80s.

Even if my theory is true, it doesn&#039;t give you an easy solution. At this point, the idea of deviation is probably embedded deeply in your subconscious.

On the other hand, someone who could create such a big blockages might also be able to undo it. 

You&#039;ve got nothing to lose. Give it a try, but go big. Use whatever method or technique feels right, but literally try to undo the entire deviation in one go using the power of your mind and your will. 

The result you&#039;re shooting for is a remarkable, borderline miraculous positive change within a short period of time, say 16-48 hours. The change may not last, but for a day or a week you will feel remarkably well. 

I have done this myself twice, and I&#039;ve seen a handful of others do it. 

If you can do it once, then you can do it again. More importantly, we&#039;ll get confirmation that you and no one else hold the keys to your healing.

Good luck and may the force be with you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-79135">TM</a>.</p>
<p>Hi again TM. Well you&#8217;ve certainly had an long journey. It does not sound like much fun. I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;ve suffered so much.</p>
<p>Okay, let me try another tack. Let&#8217;s say that you did create a deviation in just one session. If so, then you likely have an extremely powerful mind and a natural talent for moving energy. Let&#8217;s assume that both of these are also true.</p>
<p>With a mind that powerful plus a talent for energy &#8212; what do you think would happen if a bunch of &#8220;experts&#8221; started telling you how fucked up you are? I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re familiar with the nocebo effect. Is it possible that their negative comments have seeped into your subconscious where, combined with your powerful mind and talent, you are actually perpetuating the blockage?</p>
<p>I should point out that something similar happened in the 70s and 80s with all these so-called deviations. There was a lot of nocebo going on among qigong teachers. To this day, many mainlanders are scared of qigong because of stuff they heard in the 70s and 80s.</p>
<p>Even if my theory is true, it doesn&#8217;t give you an easy solution. At this point, the idea of deviation is probably embedded deeply in your subconscious.</p>
<p>On the other hand, someone who could create such a big blockages might also be able to undo it. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got nothing to lose. Give it a try, but go big. Use whatever method or technique feels right, but literally try to undo the entire deviation in one go using the power of your mind and your will. </p>
<p>The result you&#8217;re shooting for is a remarkable, borderline miraculous positive change within a short period of time, say 16-48 hours. The change may not last, but for a day or a week you will feel remarkably well. </p>
<p>I have done this myself twice, and I&#8217;ve seen a handful of others do it. </p>
<p>If you can do it once, then you can do it again. More importantly, we&#8217;ll get confirmation that you and no one else hold the keys to your healing.</p>
<p>Good luck and may the force be with you!</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2021 23:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-79128&quot;&gt;Sifu Anthony Korahais&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Sifu Anthony,

Thank you for your response. I have been to over 30+ practitioners including several Chinese Medicine Docs and a few prominent teachers in the Qigong and Yogic spheres. The core symptoms seem to be quite consistent to Kundalini syndrome including the classic explosion up the spine to the ming mein area that initially occured, kriya movements (desire to go into yoga-like positions), extreme racing mind + recurrent panic attacks (lasted for a year; no previous history b4 event) or, visual snow, spasming, extreme fatigue, etc. I was very healthy physically and pretty good mentally going into it. My blood work and immunological markers were normal at the time and for a year after. I have had multiple experienced yogic/ayurvedic practitioners indicate it was Kundalini syndrome, but they have no remedies in yogic or ayurvedic systems. 

Multiple CM docs have treated me and indicated significant issues with a lot of heat in the chong mai, dai mai, ren mai and related deviations that were consistent with a serious reversal of flow caused by those holds. One said it is likely the energetic release was not well incorporated into the left side of my body. The more standard diagnosis was typically LV fire with SP, HT and KD involvement as well. Several treatments with two experienced medical qigong emission/tui na practitoners saw a lot of heat and wind consitent with LV issues and an extremely weakened stomach channel right where the yogic holds had occured. After opening up the stomach channel, the spasming would calm significantly for a matter of minutes before stagnating again with the spasming coming back. 

A prominent CM and Neigong practitioner overseas suggested that I had likely released a pocket of yang, using those yogic holds, on my left side that needs to be re-anchored through qi emission and very likely is aggregating the entire area. He also said some people&#039;s nervous systems take years to develop serious deviations with improper practice and, although rare, others can go on to develop them in extremely short amounts of time, especially with advanced yogic techniques, dependent on the vulnerability of their nervous systems. 

Finally I am now working with a prominent CM doc who specializes in Gu Syndrome (chronic infections) as I got an unrelated infection a year after the meditation event + symptoms began. I had an acute amoebic infection (bad water source) + acute symptoms with a corresponding elevation in eospinophils that became chronic even after standard treatment and added to the fatigue and brain fog. He also is very familiar with qi deviation from meditation/qigong (His teacher actually ran the Chinese government&#039;s program to rectify Qigong deviations during the 1970&#039;s and 1980&#039;s when Qigong became a fad there and thousands fell ill). Although that is not the main scope of his practice, he said that it sounded very consistent to qi deviation/Kundalini syndrome, and he saw the same issues with the extraordinary vessels as previous practitioners.

I hope that information helps. Thanks again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://flowingzen.com/qigong-deviation-vs-qigong-cleansing/#comment-79128">Sifu Anthony Korahais</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Sifu Anthony,</p>
<p>Thank you for your response. I have been to over 30+ practitioners including several Chinese Medicine Docs and a few prominent teachers in the Qigong and Yogic spheres. The core symptoms seem to be quite consistent to Kundalini syndrome including the classic explosion up the spine to the ming mein area that initially occured, kriya movements (desire to go into yoga-like positions), extreme racing mind + recurrent panic attacks (lasted for a year; no previous history b4 event) or, visual snow, spasming, extreme fatigue, etc. I was very healthy physically and pretty good mentally going into it. My blood work and immunological markers were normal at the time and for a year after. I have had multiple experienced yogic/ayurvedic practitioners indicate it was Kundalini syndrome, but they have no remedies in yogic or ayurvedic systems. </p>
<p>Multiple CM docs have treated me and indicated significant issues with a lot of heat in the chong mai, dai mai, ren mai and related deviations that were consistent with a serious reversal of flow caused by those holds. One said it is likely the energetic release was not well incorporated into the left side of my body. The more standard diagnosis was typically LV fire with SP, HT and KD involvement as well. Several treatments with two experienced medical qigong emission/tui na practitoners saw a lot of heat and wind consitent with LV issues and an extremely weakened stomach channel right where the yogic holds had occured. After opening up the stomach channel, the spasming would calm significantly for a matter of minutes before stagnating again with the spasming coming back. </p>
<p>A prominent CM and Neigong practitioner overseas suggested that I had likely released a pocket of yang, using those yogic holds, on my left side that needs to be re-anchored through qi emission and very likely is aggregating the entire area. He also said some people&#8217;s nervous systems take years to develop serious deviations with improper practice and, although rare, others can go on to develop them in extremely short amounts of time, especially with advanced yogic techniques, dependent on the vulnerability of their nervous systems. </p>
<p>Finally I am now working with a prominent CM doc who specializes in Gu Syndrome (chronic infections) as I got an unrelated infection a year after the meditation event + symptoms began. I had an acute amoebic infection (bad water source) + acute symptoms with a corresponding elevation in eospinophils that became chronic even after standard treatment and added to the fatigue and brain fog. He also is very familiar with qi deviation from meditation/qigong (His teacher actually ran the Chinese government&#8217;s program to rectify Qigong deviations during the 1970&#8217;s and 1980&#8217;s when Qigong became a fad there and thousands fell ill). Although that is not the main scope of his practice, he said that it sounded very consistent to qi deviation/Kundalini syndrome, and he saw the same issues with the extraordinary vessels as previous practitioners.</p>
<p>I hope that information helps. Thanks again.</p>
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